Eclipse 500

Обсуждение реактивных и турбовинтовых самолетов, которых можно отнести к классу бизнес-авиации. Аналогичные военные самолеты обсуждаются в других разделах

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#16 Сообщение vova_k » 16 июн 2008, 09:03

Пару дней назад при посадке в условиях сдвига ветра пилот вынужден был резко двинуть РУДы вперед, после чего у системы управления двигателями поехала крыша, оба двигателя вышли на максимальный режим и перестали реагировать на РУДы вообще. Пилот ушел на второй круг и, действуя согласно РЛЭ, выключил один двигатель, после чего второй ушел на минимальные обороты, продолжая никак не реагировать на РУД !!! Тем не менее, самолет удалось посадить более-менее благополучно (только покрышки порвались), за что пилоту честь и слава...

Eclipse на это заявил, что просто с РУДами нужно быть нежнее и не давить на них сильнее, чем 30 фунтов (около 14 килограмм) !!! Я просто не могу от этой компании, слов нету !!!

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#17 Сообщение Serega » 16 июн 2008, 10:01

Думал, что за рубежом за это конкретно бы в одно место вгызлись в свете борьбы за безопасность и права покупателя, ан нет...
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#18 Сообщение Jan » 28 июл 2008, 22:40

Сегодня наблюдал Eclipse 500 лично. В Казани. Под N-регистрацией. Грузился в него г-н Степашин. Хотел спросить, каким образом прошла заявка, потом решил, что он явно не в курсе.. :)

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#19 Сообщение vova_k » 28 июл 2008, 23:00

Между прочим, сегодня Vern Raburn был снят с поста президента Eclipse...

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#20 Сообщение Quoondo » 04 дек 2008, 01:33

Ну а на сегодняшний день, на начало декабря, Зклипс500 пререстал выпускаться, компания банкрот, зарплату не платят, персонал распустили и перспективы самолета выглядяд очень очень при очень туманно.

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#21 Сообщение 502 » 25 фев 2009, 14:25

Извиняюсь, переводить лень...
Коротко - нет больше Eclipse. Банкротство по статье 7 - ликвидация.

http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/b ... tml#199848
Eclipse Finally Fails, Fails Finally

Eclipse Aviation sent an email to staff late Tuesday that signals the end of a 10 year odyssey that started with the promise of a made-in-America everyman's jet that would revolutionize aviation and ended with a messy bankruptcy that involved the likes of Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin. The email says the board of directors will support a move by creditors to convert the current Chapter 11 bankruptcy into a Chapter 7 liquidation. "All of the executive management team at Eclipse gives you our most sincere and heartfelt thanks for your tenacity and perseverance in trying to deliver this dream we know as the Eclipse 500," the email reads."We gave it one heck of a try. We are sorry that it came to this today." The email is signed by executives Mark Borseth and Michael McConnell. Notably absent is the signature of CEO and Chairman of the Board Roel Pieper, the architect of the failed deal that led to the collapse.



Pieper's company had approval to buy the company under the Chapter 11 filing but couldn't raise the money. The funding was supposed to come from a Russian bank, purportedly at the urging of Putin, but never materialized. Borseth and McConnell effectively confirmed that in the email. "Despite the efforts of many people at EclipseJet Aviation and ETIRC to obtain necessary funding to close the purchase of the assets of Eclipse Aviation, the closing of the sale transaction has stalled and our company is out of time and money," the email reads. As for the 850 employees that remained, the furlough that began Feb. 18 became a layoff on Feb. 19 and they won't be getting their next pay check. Their company benefits run out Feb. 28.



Eclipse Creditors Want Chapter 7

A group of creditors involved in the Eclipse Aviation bankruptcy have asked the courts (read the motion in this PDF file) to liquidate the company as quickly as possible. The Ad Hoc Committee of Secured Noteholders has applied to the Delaware Court that approved the Chapter 11 filing and subsequent sale of Eclipse to a subsidiary of ETIRC Aviation to convert the proceedings to a Chapter 7 liquidation. The noteholders claim that the financing for ETIRC's purchase of the assets has fallen through and that every day that goes by reduces the asset pool that will be available for them. "The debtors are administratively insolvent and expenses continue to accrue, thus eroding the limited values that are available for distribution to creditors," the application reads.



The court approved the sale of Eclipse Aviation's assets to EclipseJet, the ETIRC subsidiary, on Jan. 23. The noteholders' application claims that ETIRC President Roel Pieper promised that the purchase, to be financed through a Russian bank, would be complete by Jan. 30. The bank became insolvent but the Russian government promised to bail it out. However, after the bailout, the money for the Eclipse purchase still wasn't forthcoming. On Feb. 18, Eclipse indefinitely furloughed its employees and the creditors claim that Pieper's further assurances that the promised money was on the way did not materialize. Discussions continued until Monday and the creditors decided to pull the pin on Tuesday. "It seems to the Ad Hoc Committee that there is no longer any probability that the financing will occur," the application reads.
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Looking Past Eclipse
When the phone rang -- I think it was in 2002 -- I couldn't believe who was on the other end. Vern Raburn himself had deigned to grace me with a personal interview. As the new kid on the block at AVweb, I couldn't believe my good fortune. After all, Eclipse Aviation was the hottest item in aviation news, and I was likely the least known aviation journalist anywhere. I guess that's why he picked me.

Within a few questions, Raburn was on the defensive, and that's how it's been ever since.

Raburn and then Roel Pieper, who toppled him in a palace coup worthy of the finest Flashman novel, have spent the last six years explaining, apologizing, maneuvering and, ultimately, cutting and running on buyers, investors and employees who believed an impossible dream.

It didn't need to turn out this way.

For all the hype about new technology and building methods, the company ended up turning out a pleasant (but average) little airplane that would find a ready market at reasonable production levels and pricing.

And it could have been done mostly with off-the-shelf or emerging technology. Indeed, the "revolutionary" avionics suite that was to manage the aircraft (it's not really finished yet) isn't as capable, in many respects, as some recently-introduced handheld GPS units.

What Raburn et. al. should have seen, especially given their backgrounds in the computer business, is that some parts of the technology move at lightning pace, but the aerodynamic and thermodynamic forces that govern the parts of the plane that keep it in the air are pretty hard to change in the ways that would have been necessary for Eclipse to deliver on its promise.

The flight decks of all modern aircraft have been revolutionized in the last decade. Airframes and engines have evolved. Too bad for 260 owners of half-finished, orphaned airplanes, hundreds of investors and employees that Eclipse got it backwards.

And it's too bad for all of the aforementioned and the rest of us in aviation that it got this far.

Some have estimated that Eclipse burned $2 billion in its quest for a cheap jet. Some have also suggested that the money was essentially lost to aviation and could have been used to build viable products.

I disagree.

Those who poured money into the project couldn't have cared less about aviation. They were lured by bells and whistles that amounted to little else, and that money would have gone elsewhere had it not been for Raburn's shameless skill at attracting investment.

While most of us are simply happy to see the end of a tortuous process, the timing is awful. With general aviation under the gun from all corners, this kind of collapse will only make it harder to rebuild an industry that has not only been pummeled by the market forces affecting all business but has been unfairly tarred as a symbol of greed and waste.

Unfortunately, sometimes the shoe fits, and, fair or not, the industry as a whole will have to wear it for some time.

So what's to be done about it? It's what the vast majority in aviation do every day, going about their business with honesty, integrity and a realistic sense of their place in the overall scheme. Although competition is vibrant in aviation, there's an underlying teamwork that makes it such a pleasure to pursue as a vocation.

And, in aviation like anything else, we learn from our mistakes. Eclipse has certainly provided an education.

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#22 Сообщение lt.ak » 25 фев 2009, 18:52

http://www.flyingmag.com/leftseat/1357/ ... lipse.html

"It was costing the company more than twice as much to build an Eclipse 500 as it had sold the airplane for."

"I feel sorry for everybody who lost in the debacle, but the biggest loser is general aviation. The Eclipse episode is the biggest disaster in memory for GA because it took more than a billion dollars that could have been used to create new and viable airplanes and wasted it. And the trauma will linger for years as investors, rightly terrified by the Eclipse disaster, refuse to put money into new airplane programs that can really work. The FAA has also created a traffic forecast and is trying to build a new ATC system partly based on the prediction of thousands of Eclipse-type VLJs blackening the sky. We could end up with an ATC system we don't want or need because outrageous production forecasts by Eclipse played right into the FAA's hands and gave it the ammunition to declare a coming ATC emergency."
AIM 4-1-9 (g)(1) ... "Traffic in the area, please advise" is not a recognized Self-Announce Position and/or Intention phrase and should not be used under any condition.

Failure to comply with this warning will result in future warnings.

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#23 Сообщение achernov83 » 27 фев 2009, 03:05

если не ошибаюсь - то 13 бортов, которые принадлежали Эклипсам покупает Etirc - они собственно и занимаются его внедрением в России. и ксати стапеля в Ульяновске хоть уже и начали закладывать - но все движется со скрипом. Причем большим.

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#24 Сообщение vova_k » 27 фев 2009, 05:54

Black писал(а):если не ошибаюсь - то 13 бортов, которые принадлежали Эклипсам покупает Etirc - они собственно и занимаются его внедрением в России.
Думаю, ошибаетесь - ETIRC сейчас находится в большой заднице. Собственно говоря, Chapter 7 появился после того, как ETIRC не смог оплатить EA по Chapter 11

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#25 Сообщение 502 » 21 авг 2009, 16:32

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/08/ ... 61924.html
Judge approves Eclipse sale date Aug. 20
Associated Press, 08.10.09, 03:43 PM EDT

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- A federal bankruptcy judge Monday set a sale hearing for Eclipse Aviation's assets for Aug. 20, setting the stage for the sale of the shuttered Albuquerque aircraft manufacturer before the end of the month.

Eclipse Aerospace president Mason Holland Jr. says other companies hoping to bid on the assets must do so by Friday.

Holland says it's unlikely anyone else will bid on the maker of the Eclipse 500 very light jet. The plane has been likened to an SUV with wings.

Eclipse Aerospace submitted a $40 million plan to purchase the plant, which entered bankruptcy proceedings last November.

Holland says Eclipse Aerospace has hired several key employees and plans to begin upgrading and servicing the aircraft shortly after closing

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#26 Сообщение vova_k » 14 окт 2009, 11:51

Контора, которая купила остатки Eclipse, перевела FAA сертификат типа на себя и пробует восстановить европейский СТ. Собираются активно заниматься сервисом и апгрейдом существующих бортов, при этом заявляют желание возобновить в будущем производство.

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#27 Сообщение Vovacii » 25 сен 2012, 16:13

Встретил этот самолетик на выставке в Берлине очень понравился, цена около 2.5млн долларов.
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#28 Сообщение pilotatotale » 25 сен 2012, 16:37

В 2008 тест-флайт на нем делали из Москвы в Ярославль и обратно. Супер.

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#29 Сообщение Siberia » 25 сен 2012, 16:40

Ни одного дублирующего "будильника" :shock: Космос.... :mrgreen:
Первым делом мы...

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#30 Сообщение pilotatotale » 25 сен 2012, 17:10

В европейской модификации их заставили поставить механический авиагоризонт. Без него сертифицировать не желали.

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